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Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby Waylander » 10 Oct 2017 06:42



:D

Lots of misdirection going on in there I reckon. ;)

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby Keyop » 10 Oct 2017 08:56

Possibly not a single thing looking like it seems lol

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby MonroeFor » 25 Oct 2017 18:02

So looking forward to this. I hope it doesn't disappoint. I liked Ep 7 and Rogue One, so hopefully this'll be good too.

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby Keyop » 21 Dec 2017 18:52

Saw it this evening, thought it was fantastic, just what a star wars film should be.

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby Waylander » 21 Dec 2017 21:35

Interesting you say that. I enjoyed it, thought it was good. But I had several issues with it which the more I think on, the more I think I'm going to enjoy second viewing much less. The third one could rectify some of the damage done. Maybe it's all a ploy. :noidea:

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In no particular order from memory:

Sooo the ship chase was meant to last 18 hours till fuel ran out? Are we meant to believe everything else we saw concerning Rey/Luke & Finn/Rose happened in 18 hours? No way..

And that ship chase story being the WHOLE premise for the film was pretty lame when you think about it.

It felt a total rehash of the other films, TFA already did that & it worked, this just seems to be copying for the sake of it.

Snoke dying was a bit of a curveball, but that completely cheapens the character. So he's really a nobody who's incredibly powerful with the Force? That's very hard to swallow. I'm not feeling Kylo Ren as the big evil of the Galaxy.

Rey is also a nobody. Her parents were nobodies. Ok, I get what they are trying to do, with the kids at the end etc being a new gen of Force wielders but it feels so.... flat. Such a let down. BUT... I still think she's a Kenobi. Obi Wan's granddaughter.

Captain Phasma had a big billing in this one. She was barely in it.... & also died. WTF? Although, I reckon she might not actually be dead tbf.

About 5 resistance fighters remain on the Falcon at the end. Presumably Poe will become Leader for the next one since Carrie Fishers Leia won't be in it, but how the hell they'll pull a good story together from what's left I don't know.

Talking of Leia, that bit when she's sucked into space & Force floats back? Another WTF moment.

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby Keyop » 22 Dec 2017 00:32

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I do tend to take most films at face value without reading too far into things.

I thought the Rey section was just continuing from the end of TFA and am sure there's more to it. Wasn't Ren just saying about parents to try and get her to side with him?

Phasma wasn't in it much, but then again, how'd she get out of the trash compactor from TFA?

Maybe the overall ship chase thing seems odd, but that didn't cross my mind whilst watching and doesn't spoil it now.

Snoke was a surprise, but that's lining up Ren for IX, isn't it? As you say, I'm not quite buying him as the ultimate evil, but he is getting there.

Not sure how they'll handle Leia in the final film, sad really. To be honest I thought she'd die in this one. Good thing she had the force to get back to the ship from space!

I think overall, I was that 5 year old again that went to see Star Wars on my birthday back in '77 on the day it came out, I was looking for an adventure, some fun and some spectacle. I got all that and am looking forward to seeing it again. My boys loved it.

...and the porgs (space puffins). I was explaining this to my kids. So many of the island shots had puffins flying in the background that they had to make something of them, it's impossible to digitally remove that many. They did a good job of making a creature that worked for that scenario I thought. At least there were no Jar Jar moments!

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby tlpn99 » 22 Dec 2017 12:00

Waylander wrote:Interesting you say that. I enjoyed it, thought it was good. But I had several issues with it which the more I think on, the more I think I'm going to enjoy second viewing much less. The third one could rectify some of the damage done. Maybe it's all a ploy. :noidea:

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In no particular order from memory:

Sooo the ship chase was meant to last 18 hours till fuel ran out? Are we meant to believe everything else we saw concerning Rey/Luke & Finn/Rose happened in 18 hours? No way..

And that ship chase story being the WHOLE premise for the film was pretty lame when you think about it.

It felt a total rehash of the other films, TFA already did that & it worked, this just seems to be copying for the sake of it.

Snoke dying was a bit of a curveball, but that completely cheapens the character. So he's really a nobody who's incredibly powerful with the Force? That's very hard to swallow. I'm not feeling Kylo Ren as the big evil of the Galaxy.

Rey is also a nobody. Her parents were nobodies. Ok, I get what they are trying to do, with the kids at the end etc being a new gen of Force wielders but it feels so.... flat. Such a let down. BUT... I still think she's a Kenobi. Obi Wan's granddaughter.

Captain Phasma had a big billing in this one. She was barely in it.... & also died. WTF? Although, I reckon she might not actually be dead tbf.

About 5 resistance fighters remain on the Falcon at the end. Presumably Poe will become Leader for the next one since Carrie Fishers Leia won't be in it, but how the hell they'll pull a good story together from what's left I don't know.

Talking of Leia, that bit when she's sucked into space & Force floats back? Another WTF moment.


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I agree on the whole floating thing in space. I was watching it and was like wtf! One other thing also was when Luke projected himself towards the end and he looked like he was 20 years younger his beard darker, I get the fact it was to entice Kylo Ren to fight him but again another wtf! moment. Kylo Ren as the bad guy, anyone being harder after or badder more evil than Darth Vader has very big boots to fill that and every time I see his face I just want him to get smashed in.

The Porg when in the Falcon and it hit the window that bit was very funny and also Chewie knocking it when it got in his way another funny moment.

I did prefer it to The Force Awakens, I thought that movie was just basically Star Wars IV A New Hope Remade Death Star = Death Planet both made with the same flaw shoot down the hole and the whole thing is vulnerable. Rogue One was great I loved that but that's a separate story and sits well between the new 3rd one and Stars Wars IV A New Hope very well.

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby Chuckleboy » 22 Dec 2017 12:02

Pretty much agree with all of what lander has put above however...

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...I also take some issue with making General Hux the comic relief, he was a good foil for Ren and only adds to his frustration reagarding control and place in the universe, however thats all gone now with Snoke being killed off. Also didnt like that scene either with Ren and Ray fighting snokes guards or there interactions together, not sure what they are trying to do with these characters now, can only hope that epIX resolves some of this for me.

Also didnt really like the new character Rose, that whole side plot with her and Finn in that casino smacked of prequels for me and just makes me think that given the succsess of force awakens Disney now thinks it can do what ever it likes with the franchise :nono: would have much rather had them travel to Mos Eisley, similar location, to achieve thier goal. They insist on keep tipping their hat to the orig trig so I think that would have fitted better and given more scope for some action rather than a stupid horse chase on some CGI animals.

I probably have more to talk about but cant think of anything else right now, deffo gonna be a marmite starwars film for the fans. I do plan to go watch it again and who knows maybe something will click next time that redeems some of the issues I have currently

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Re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

Postby Keyop » 22 Dec 2017 14:11

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All the little side journeys take the whole film to come together. Finn and Rose especially, whose journey leads to the fleet being shot upon since they were double-crossed by the hacker. Switching between stories did affect the pacing as Reys time with Luke must have been a lot longer than 'the chase'. But. I didn't really think about that too much during the movie. Probably the issue for most people is that the journeys/reveals aren't what they expected.

The film does cater for all ages, hence the cute creatures and the 'horse' race, much like the original trilogy did. I think you need to watch the new films through the eyes that you watched your first star wars with. As I said previously, this is the first Star Wars movie that my whole family enjoyed, so while it didn't do everything right in everyone's eyes, it did enough for each of us to come out and say 'when shall we watch it again?

Definitely a marmite film depending upon expectations as you walk in I think.